I don’t remember so much about elementary school. Going into junior high and high school, I was very active in sports. The main sport was football. I started as a running back, we called them half-backs then – we had half-backs and full-backs. I also started on defense as a safety. So in addition to that, I ran track.

I attended Centerville High School, just south of Dayton, Ohio.  For College I went to the University of Cincinnati. I started off in engineering and then switched to business administration.

I had a girlfriend in high school named Tracey and we started dating in about eighth or ninth grade and went all the way through high school and then after I graduated from college we got married. That was my first wife; that lasted a couple of years. In fact it was with her that I moved from the Midwest out to California.

I always wanted to be an engineer. But at the University of Cincinnati they referred to engineering as pre-business, because [laughs] it’s a very big engineering school and the switch over rate is tremendous there.

I didn’t play any sports in college. I joined a fraternity; the same fraternity my older brother belonged to when he went to Bowling Green. There was also a chapter of Beta Theta Phi at the University of Cincinnati. I met some really good friends and I still keep in contact with many of them.

I graduated in ’72 – so seven, that’s 25 or, that’s 35 years later there’s still a group of about 20 of us that gets together every October and plays golf at the same location. One guy organizes it. And we talk about old times and see what is going on. We see everybody for about three or four days.

My first marriage lasted four or five years. I don’t know. Just after moving out here, we both just – it was time to grow up and do something different. I mean we had known each other since eighth grade, ninth grade. It was just time to move apart.