What was going on through grade school; a lot about the war, and we had the windows darkened.

We had air raid preparation kinds of – my words aren’t coming out. We had a lot of fear. We’d go down to the Jersey shore in the summer and there would always be tar from ships that had been hit and rolled in. We were aware of it all the time.

You know, we used to save chewing gum tinfoil for the war effort, we had food stamps, we had…I mean, there was a war and we were all very aware of the Germans and the Japs and, you know, that’s what it was, the Germans and the Japs and we used to spend a lot of time drawing airplanes and bombs falling and safety shelters…It was a big thing. It was a big thing.

Then when it was over everybody just went crazy. Everybody, I mean, in my town everybody was downstairs, in town, hitting pots and pans and celebrating and my dad came home and then the household changed a great deal.

The other thing, as a psychologist I’m saying this, the nurse who took care of my sister who had been in the family about seven or eight years – she was just great.

But after my sister left, not too long after that, went on a vacation and she never came back. So, that was kind of a startling thing and there was no one to talk about it. So, psychologically around people leaving and then where did they go and when are they coming back is one of the things I…It was fun! I mean, we had lots of fun!

We had a big gang, played kick the can and things like my brother would make dog poo lollypops for kids and wrap them in – do you know that dotted stuff that used to be on? I mean, there was a lot of that. Bags of poo and they’d ring the doorbell and run.

I was the youngest one and all this kind of stuff, and I was the only girl and I was the only girl in the gang and we’d play poker – not poker…yeah, strip poker, except it was with a bottle and you’d spin the bottle and I was always on the downhill lie so I was always naked as a needle and all these guys that were three or four year older – I mean, I was five! It was fun! I mean, it was just a fun, full childhood.

We weren’t Rockefellers but certainly the neighborhood was really nice and we did nice things.