Probably it helps to do a lot more listening than it does talking, and you don’t have to have a lot necessarily to have a good life, you know? We started out with – like I said, I thought we was fairly well-off until you found out what other people were doing. We built a new house and went probably 13 years before we had furniture in the front rooms.

Probably, you know we got them all through college. Financially, that was a good point when they all got out and working. We got those through college. That was probably one of the good things we could do in life.